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hour. 1-800-steph-1-2 the phone number toll free from anywhere. pat in california, hi, pat. >> caller: hi, listen i want to said -- attitude just like -- i had -- gay lesbian -- i have a lot of gay and lesbians on both sides my side and my husband's side, we love them to death. but there is the stigma from the catholic church [ inaudible ] as soon as the president came out and they started this thing that it's a right i said oh, my god, it is a right. and i used to talk to my family and friends about it, but [ inaudible ] i want you to have all of the benefits but you know, the marriage thing -- no it is a right for god's sake. >> stephanie: right. i think that's what has made this civil right's movement go so much faster. is because of that.

>> caller: right. >> stephanie: and i'm also -- was a practicing catholic. i got so good i went professional, so i don't practice anymore. but i never thought about it. >> caller: yeah, see my attitude was always that god doesn't have any discretion of who he loves. so that wasn't it but it was like, oh you know, no. and now i'm like my god what happened? when the president did it made it a universal thing. >> stephanie: i think chuck hagel is generally a good guy, and i think at that time all around the world there was still a lot of homophobia. the way it sounds now, we go that's really homophobic.

>> caller: yep. i love you guys. and i get up early in the morning so i'm watching you guys early. >> stephanie: yay! she's precious. [ applause ] >> stephanie: here is a story that will make you feel better whether you are gay or straight -- [♪ "world news tonight" theme ♪] >> stephanie: oregon man arrested for choking his girlfriend with his own dread locks. >> oh. is she okay? >> stephanie: uh-huh. i wouldn't do this story if she wasn't. i always ask you, is she okay. >> you pretty well gave away that i knew the answer. >> stephanie: yeah. any details? no. >> he was arrested charged. >> gave him a buzz cut. >> stephanie: this will make you feel better about yourself no matter who you are. [♪ "world news tonight" theme ♪] >> i think this is one of the

stories i would rather not do, and you handed it to me while i was eating breakfast. >> uh-huh. just before we talk to the kenendys. >> stephanie: right. >> we need to clear this out of our systems. >> so to speak. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: not every day you read the headline, al worker i pooped my pants at the white house. [♪ "world news tonight" theme ♪] >> stephanie: this is really just an entire episode of way too much information. >> i bet [ inaudible ] has never done that. [ laughter ] >> or maybe he has. >> stephanie: did he think it was giving an interview to a

doctor. this is televised. >> apparently this is a symptom or leftover of a gastric bypass. [ farting sounds ] >> stephanie: you guys share a bathroom here. roker said -- >> schneiderman. >> stephanie: right. talk about gastric bypass surgery. he said i probably ate something i wasn't supposed to. and he was walking to the white house and thought he had a little gas and something else came out. schneiderman said you pooped your pants? i pooped my pants, confirmed

roker. not terribly. schneiderman said, which is a common effect of this surgery. exactly he said, i was panicking, so i went to the restroom of the press room, threw away my underwear and then went commando. and so he left the poopy underwear at the white house. >> oh, my god! >> along with a paper towel. who is going to know. >> stephanie: if joe biden used that bathroom that is a big [ censor bleep ] deal. oh, god, who was in here? al? do not go in there. we'll be right back on the "stephanie miller show." ♪ coming on to me all the time

now. (vo) she gets the comedians laughing and the thinkers thinking. >>ok, so there's wiggle room in the ten commandments, that's what you're saying. you would rather deal with ahmadinejad than me. >>absolutely. >> and so would mitt romney. (vo) she's joy behar. >>and the best part is that current will let me say anything. what the hell were they thinking?

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>> announcer: stephanie miller. >> will you please look. >> how old is she? >> fifty. >> fifty? you have got to be kidding? >> i wonder what her secret is? >> stephanie: uh-huh. it is the "stephanie miller show." welcome it to. thirty-four minutes after the hour. 1-800-steph-1-2 the phone number toll free from anywhere. the new book is "recover to live: kick any habit manage any addiction," christopher kennedy lawford chris, and patrick kennedy join us now. good morning, sirs. >> hi, you only had one here unfortunately. >> stephanie: which one? >> christopher kennedy lawford. >> stephanie: that's okay. one kennedy is enough.

>> oh, you are so sweet. >> stephanie: ethel kennedy got me addicted to banana gram while i was visiting. >> oh, she loves her banana gram. i told the story of her breaking my thumb when i was about 13 jeers old. i sort of said it endearingly, but she didn't take it that way. >> stephanie: i was afraid she would break one of mine for making words that were too small in banana gram. any way, tell us about the book. >> i saw this guy come on selling addiction recovery programs. and i thought i do a lot of advocacy of this issues and i

can talk to the smartest people on the planet and talk about what addiction is and what it isn't. and put that in a book so they would have good science about how to assess an addiction, and what to do about it. it's a book that i think should empower people to really look at their behavior and if they want to make changes they can. >> stephanie: it's interesting, because obviously you are all so good about policy as well. there are parts of the book talking about the drain on the economy. >> yeah, this addiction problem costs america $6 billion dollars. and this is the number one health care issue in the world? really? and our best solution at this point is legalization of

marijuana, which i think is a bad idea. the truth is we have a lack of a political will here because it's a complicated issue, it's expensive, there is a lot of stigma and shame associated with it, there's 20 million people in recovery, and none of them are standing up demanding that our lawmakers do something. overdose last year surpassed traffic deaths. it's a tragedy. >> stephanie: oh i just got an email from annie and willie nelson. >> if it's working for willie nelson, god bless him. but i'm talking about our kids. if they smoke marijuana one in six will smoke it chronically and obliterate their ambition

and make it more likely that any kind of mental disorder will occur and develop more rapidly. i believe people should be able to do what they want to do as long as i don't have to pay for it. a woman said the marijuana they are smoking today is a lot different than the marijuana you were smoking. do we need another legal drug? i don't think so. >> stephanie: interesting. when you see something like what just happened in washington state, what do you think? >> look, i understand people's desire, and i understand the need for taxes but i think proliferating gambling or marijuana are not the solutions. as i said i'm a pro choice guy. i don't care what you do. when my kids had marijuana, i said as long as you are under my

roof drugs and drinking are illegal. once you leave my house, you make your own choices in your life and live with those choices. but the truth is as a society, can we afford this? and we're not talking about willy nelson. we're talking about kids. that's what i care about. if you legalize it? will more kids use it? the evidence is they will. and the tax benefits will be obliterated by the mental health costs. >> stephanie: i'll told you had a wild youth. >> oh very wild. "recover to live: kick any habit manage any addiction" is an entirely different book. it's not a sexy but if people

are interested in that they can by "symptoms of withdrawal" which is still available on amazon.com, i think. this book which is available at amazon.com and at my website, it's more like a textbook but it's interesting to read. >> stephanie: right. you talk in the book about your moment of clarity. >> that's right. karl young said he had never seen an alcoholic recover who didn't have what he called a psychic change moment some kind of an awakening, moment of clarity, an pipny, i did a book about a moment of clarity.

it's not essential. most people have something like that. they wake up and realize they don't want to continue to do what they are doing. because this is a difficult, difficult addiction -- disease to overcome. >> stephanie: i'm a box wine aficionado myself. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: but you can joke about it, and i always say it's not a drinking problem it's a solution. but we all go through periods in our life where you start to -- and everybody has that different moment where you go i got to pull back or this is a little much. >> that's right. and that's why "recover to live" is so helpful. these are solutions for people. as long as these solutions are working for you, god bless you, continue to do it. if wine is working for you, do

it. do it. but if it is causing harm in your life, and it has diminished your quality of life and you want to make changes, this book is for you. but i'm not selling anything here. i want people to enjoy their life -- >> stephanie: well, you are telling your story. for inches he's sick of pulling me off of the heating grate in the morning and bringing me to work. >> yes, well i bet you look good? >> stephanie: yes, my pours are fabulous. but i got to hang out at the come pound at look at the pictures of your wild youth. >> yes, i have been blessed in my life, and i am very grateful. >> stephanie: we just had a caller yesterday. and we talked about this during

the campaign. there was so much about class envy, and one of our callers called in and said everybody knew the kenendys were wealthy, but you got the feeling that they cared about the people that weren't. >> yes, i get enormous goodwill in the world because of where i come from, and we had a family ethic of to whom much is given, much is expected. and the gift of life is not what you have accumulated in life although it is important for folks so they can pay their bills, but really being of service to source the best thing you can do to make you feel good in your life. >> stephanie: i'm glad you feel that way, because i took some silverwear from the compound because i was drunk. >> nice.

>> stephanie: i'll give it back. >> no, put it on ebay. chris, thanks so much. >> thank you, stephanie. [ applause ] >> wow. >> stephanie: okay. ken in the adirondacks. hello, ken. okay. i'll come back to you. he's watching now, going oh! >> uh-huh. >> stephanie: we'll be right back on the "stephanie miller show." >> announcer: there is something funny going on on radio. it's the "stephanie miller show." ♪ arguments to feel confident in their positions. i want them to have the data and i want them to have the passion. but it's also about telling them, you're put on this planet for something

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>> announcer: stephanie miller. ♪ good times, these are such good times ♪ ♪ leave your cares behind ♪ ♪ these are such good times ♪ >> stephanie: it is the "stephanie miller show." welcome it to. forty-nine minutes after the hour. 1-800-steph-1-2 the phone number toll free from anywhere. have we met a record number of people today. >> absolutely. >> stephanie: he was talking about the effect of marijuana on children -- >> i think that pot should be . . . ah . . . i forgot. [ buzzer ] >> stephanie: all right. jim now you have made everybody else mad.

>> i'm hungry. >> stephanie: i have never done drugs, but i am obviously a box wine drunk. i thought how ironic. i just got an email from annie and willie nelson. >> yeah. >> stephanie: annie says steph tell chris we're listening to your podcast on your new app. [ bell chimes ] >> oh yeah. >> stephanie: out there in maui. [ applause ] >> there you go. >> stephanie: i didn't play poker at willie nelson's. i lost a quarter in a slot machine in vegas and that was the end of my gambling career. [ bell chimes ] [ applause ] >> stephanie: i told you they were nice enough to invite us

and we thought -- woody harrelson and owen wilson and kenny chesney are coming and roleland and i were like that's a little rich for our blood. we got to get on the road gin. [♪ circus music ♪] >> stephanie: see what i did there. >> yeah. >> stephanie: and we also made fun of al-roker who -- >> he crapped his pants. he admitted it on tv. >> stephanie: arty in texas. go ahead. >> caller: hey, listen, i love you and the mooks. i think you are all so smart. but i wanted to tell you one thing, and call you out on it. three times this morning on talk shows i heard people talking about al roker already. >> stephanie: yes. don't laugh. >> caller: bless his heart. you guys are like a mensa show

with fart jokes. [ farting sounds ] >> stephanie: yeah. >> caller: but he was talking to a doctor. >> stephanie: i guess it was a little graphic. >> how do you not be graphic when talking about that. >> caller: well, maybe he is helping people. my background was in pharmaceutical sales and i used to sell medicine to people with problems. but bless his heart. >> stephanie: that's true but you are giggling when you talk about it. >> caller: well, yeah. i love you guys, though. >> stephanie: i love you back. >> that is something they don't necessarily tell you about when they are advertising all of those gastric bypass things. >> stephanie: yeah. at least they warned you with those olestra chips.

they named them wow! >> wow, i really shouldn't have warn white pants. >> stephanie: i should make a confession i haven't had gastric bypass but when i have been out on a hike i'm like a bear in the woods. i have pooped in the woods like a bear yes, i have. >> we don't have woods around here. >> stephanie: yes, we do. >> those bushes aren't big enough to squat -- >> did you have toilet paper with you? >> no, i had to use a leaf. >> and you went commando. >> if you have had laxatives or something then suddenly -- >> you don't go hiking amongst

oak trees with leaves big enough to use. [ farting sounds ] >> stephanie: the coyotes are like, come on. >> where do you find leaves big enough to wipe? >> stephanie: you don't need to know the details. should we play the "saturday night live" sketch. >> all right. >> stephanie: okay. >> hey, mom [ inaudible ]. >> come on grandma, with you on our side, the boys don't stand a chance. >> okay. i'll get my racket. on second thought. i think i better sit this one out. >> you kids go ahead. i'm going to have a talk with your old grandma. you are still having control problems, aren't you? >> i just don't feel comfortable harvey. >> come with me. i'll let you in on a little secret. here we are.

i crap my pants. imagine this picture of ice tea is really a gallon of your fee cease, see how the filter allows -- >> oh, i i'm impressed. >> and get this oops i crapped my pants are bio degradable. that's good for the environment. >> how do you know so much about i crapped my pants. >> i'm wearing them and i just did. >> just say oops i crapped my pants. [ laughter ] [ applause ] >> like i wasn't already freaked out about the nora virus, that makes you spew out both ends. >> stephanie: didn't [ inaudible ] poop on a

plane -- no he peed. something he was drunk and he peed in an aisle. >> french people are always drunk. sorry. >> stephanie: now the "stephanie miller show" wishes to apologize to pot heads, people who poop their pants and the french. thanks a lot. the entire hour -- >> what is my last name? it's french. >> lavoie. gym, you can settle down, paul krugman is not going to be secretary of the treasury. >> dammit. >> stephanie: all rights were circulating, and he said while he is flattered to be considered, the obama administration would result in [ inaudible ] he say oh and there's not a chance i would be confirmed. >> well, there's that.

>> stephanie: can you imagine. right-wing heads just exploding. [ explosion ] >> yeah. >> stephanie: he said it would reduce [ inaudible ] publicly what i really think, so -- yeah. but it would have just been for the speaking of people pooping their pants, just for that alone it would have been exciting. chuck hagel yesterday. >> mr. president i'm grateful for this opportunity to serve our country again. and especially its men and women in uniform and their families. these are people who give so much for this nation every day with such dignity and selflessness. this is particularly important at a time as we complete our mission in afghanistan and support the troops and military families who have sacrificed so much over more than a decade of

war. >> stephanie: james hormel put out a statement senator hagels apology is significant. while the timing of peer self-serving the words are unequivocal. his actions towards the new statute of the lbgt constituency [ inaudible ] if the commitment to treat lbgt service members and their families i would support the nomination. >> great. >> stephanie: charlie pierce as

[♪ theme music ♪] >> stephanie: oh my god, jacki schechner learned a new song. what is going on? [ laughter ] >> what do you think i did with my new year's break. >> stephanie: apparently you were composing. >> exactly. >> stephanie: jacki your thoughts on people who poop their pants, marijuana legalization, and the french. >> all in one sentence? >> stephanie: yes. >> i have no idea. i don't even know where to start. you are back to that impossible talk thing. >> how about french pot smokers who poop their pants. >> stephanie: what do you think about that? >> i'm pro? i don't know. >> stephanie: listen even for a health care advocate for you,

that was a little bit too much health care information for you -- >> i don't understand why people feel the need to share those things. there has to be a little bit of a line you don't cross? >> stephanie: yes, except it lead me to reveal that i poop in the woods like a bear. >> that's right. good morning. the president's task force that is working on gun policy proposals is planning to take input from various stakeholders this week. vice president biden heads up the group, and he will be meeting tomorrow with victim's groups. on thursday he will spoke with gun owners and gun support advocates, and he'll meet with representatives of the entertainment and video game industries. at the same time education secretary arnie duncan is

scheduled to meet with parent and teacher groups and there will be a meeting with mental health advocates. the white house is also looking ahead this week a meeting on friday with afghan president, hamel karzai. they will talk about among other things the ongoing transition in afghanistan. senior officials are going to hold a conference call this afternoon to speak on the record about those meetings. a new poll shows that more than three-quarters of americans think that the way politics work in washington is seriously hurting our country. the survey was taken in the middle of the fiscal cliff negotiations last month. we're back after the break. ♪ commercials? those types are coming on to me all the time

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[♪ theme music ♪] >> announcer: ladies and gentlemen, it's the "stephanie miller show"! ♪ i'm walking on sunshine we ho ♪ ♪ i'm walking on sunshine woe ho ♪ ♪ it's time to feel good, hey, all right now, it's time to feel good. >> stephanie: it is the "stephanie miller show," welcome it to. six minutes after the hour 1-800-steph-1-2 the phone number toll free from anywhere. charlie pierce of exsquire.com coming up this hour. and we'll check in on the fiscal cliff and then former

ambassador, james hormel to talk about the chuck hagel nomination. listener linda in minneapolis, i don't know how many more times i can answer the my mom's sauerkraut questions. it's a huge hit. your mom's -- steph, happy new year. i beg to differ with you and your mom on boiling the sauerkraut. listen just to it. put a little water and boil it for 20 minutes, and then you drain the water off and fry it with bacon and fat, and mushrooms, and dill. >> isn't all somehow somehow -- sauerkraut cooked? just do what my mother says. she is about to turn 90 for

god's sake -- >> red cabbage is cooked but sauerkraut is a fermented cabbage. >> stephanie: she called my mother redundant. any way happy new year's to all y'alls as well, by the way. ♪ ♪ it's time to start the new year, it's time to do the show it's time to get things started, it's time to see who farted on the most celebrational, transformational, this is the "stephanie miller show" ♪ [ applause ] >> stephanie: yay hoo. thank you rocky mountain mike. speaking of sexy liberal january 19th it's coming up kids. sexy liberalpalooza do it.

it's going to be a par-tay i tell you what. melissa fitzgerald has invited us all to a ball. not that kind jim. the point is two huge celebrities on panel. and the whole sexy liberal contingent, everybody will be at the warner theater. okay. so jacki was talking at the top of the hour about the president -- there was a story in the post everybody is talking about, gun legislation et cetera, and right on time america's crazy sheriff sends vigilantis to schools. >> great.

>> stephanie: heeding the nra's advice that every school needs a guy with a gun, and is sending out volunteers. some of the volunteers have criminal pasts. >> great. >> stephanie: nicely done. nicely done. [ applause ] >> hey, kids ever seen a grown man naked? want to tell stories about gladiators. >> stephanie: oh, boy. [♪ "world news tonight" theme ♪] >> stephanie: and a republican in newtown to gabby giffords stay out of my town. >> great. >> who said that? >> stephanie: thanks for asking, jim, [ inaudible ] objected to a visit by abagreel giffords. she said stay out of my town. she continued that it was

political, and all political types know it's courteous to let other politicals know they are in their district. the visit was announced in advance. second of all try to being human. >> whatever! >> stephanie: chuck hagel yesterday. >> i'm also grateful for an opportunity to help continue to strengthen our country and strengthen our country's alliances. as we help build a better world for all man kind. >> stephanie: mitch mcconnell talked about how spectacular he found chuck hagel before president obama nominated him. >> i think there will be a lot of tough questions of senator

hagel. but he'll be treated fairly by the senate. >> fairly by which i might spit some lettuce at him. >> stephanie: jim cornyn. >> i consider him to be an honorable man with a distinguished record of service, but also being wrong. he is a good man, but this is a wrong job for him because he is certainly outside of the vast majority main stream? >> stephanie: what? no he is not. the vast majority of americans want us out of afghanistan. >> right. >> stephanie: senator dan koets. >> i want to give chuck hagel the opportunity to come and go face-to-face to answer these allegations -- what i think are some serious questions. >> serious concerns that obama

likes him. >> stephanie: that's what we're seriously concerned about. that makes it very serious. >> troubling. very troubling. >> stephanie: very troubling. that's the man that the troubling black man likes. i was mentioning -- [♪ "world news tonight" theme ♪] >> stephanie: -- that we will have james hormel on next hour. and barney frank dialing back his opposition saying he is willing to look past his comments about gays and it's more important his views prevail. he said i was hoping the president wouldn't nominate him, but the question now is going to be afghanistan and scaling back the military in terms of the policy stuff if rejected by the senate would be a setback for those things. with the attack coming out of the right, i hope he gets confirmed. now barney frank likes him because the republicans don't. george in chicago you are on the

"stephanie miller show." hi, george. >> caller: good morning, stephanie and mooks. >> stephanie: good morning. >> caller: far be it to me to suggest that joe arpaio is an inconsistent blow hard but did he announce he was sending posses of individual landties to protect senator and congressmen to protect those who have meet and greets in their neighbors. >> stephanie: no no. he did not. speaking of the gun debate alex jones who is always so well reasoned -- >> and incitedful. >> stephanie: he is the creator of the support piers morgan petition. >> yeah. >> stephanie: here he is having one of his moments. >> the seventh amendment isn't

there for duck hunting. it's there to protect us from tyrannical government and treat thugs. hugo chavez took the guns. and i'm here to tell you 1776 will commence again if you try to take our firearms! we will not relinquish them! do you understand! >> stephanie: wow. >> wow. >> stephanie: wow. >> geez. >> stephanie: just lay back and let him talk. >> yeah, that's what piers did. >> are you quite finished? >> yeah, he was just sitting there blinking and nodding. >> stephanie: spital all over his face. ken in the adirondacks. >> caller: yeah. yeah. slight return. look chuck hagel department of defense? he is exactly the right guy for the job.

it was in vietnam with him. department of offense like bush ran with the neo-cons for eight years, no way, he is the wrong guy. that's all i had to say. >> stephanie: oh, all right. he'll take no further questions. [♪ "world news tonight" theme ♪] >> stephanie: by the way, supreme court will hear gay marriage march 26th and 27th. they have scheduled oral arguments. [ giggling ] >> stephanie: they will hear oral arguments on march 26th they will hear oral arguments on march 8th. and we'll be all over that like a cheap suit. >> yep. >> speaking of which if we're going to be invited to a ball in d.c. that probably mean we have to bring good clothes. >> yeah, i think i'll decline that ininvited. >> stephanie: losers.

>> why would i want to go to a ball? >> stephanie: you know what mooks don't travel well. [♪ "world news tonight" theme ♪] >> stephanie: oh, guess what else is going to be that day? pro gun groups are planning gun appreciation day for jan 19th. >> but d.c. has strict gun laws -- >> stephanie: a coalition of pro gun groups. they are emulating the chick fillet appreciation day -- remember that. >> yeah. >> stephanie: they are urging people to turn out in droves to support the anti-gun overreach. except that the government hasn't done anything --

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>> stephanie: ah it is the "stephanie miller show." twenty-three minutes after the hour. charlie pierce esquire.com coming up at the bottom of the hour. 1-800-steph-1-2. sharon in illinois. hi, sharon. >> caller: hi, bill kristol of the weekly standard was talking about how he is going to shape the republican party, and he has some ideas -- >> stephanie: bill kristol who has been wrong about everything ever. >> caller: well, i don't think who these people think they are. they never talk about helping the american people or anything good about our country. it's always warmongering. and now they are saying the main stream is very much like them. and we're not. nobody has ever liked war. i don't know why -- they probably only got in because of money. and whoever picks war is the

richest person in their group. and we have put up with too much. and those republicans got to go. >> stephanie: yeah. thank you, honey. damn gerrymandering. >> exactly. [♪ "world news tonight" theme ♪] >> stephanie: jim you were just bitching about not wanting to go to a ball. this man wore all of his clothes on a plane, in order to avoid bag age fees. security aids discovered some 60 pieces of clothing. >> that could be difficult if you are trying to use the facilities. even getting in the door --

>> or standing in that tiny room. [♪ "world news tonight" theme ♪] >> stephanie: woman put up -- the holidays may be over, but she wants to keep her unusual light display on her roof showing an extended finger to her neighbors. she says police threatened her with fines and arrests, and she and the aclu sued the city and the police. [ applause ] >> okay. then. >> all righty. >> stephanie: just saying. kids i don't know what is going to happen with this -- there's a lot of speck laation about what is going to -- the fiscal schiff as jim calls him. >> yeah. >> stephanie: but the headline is cracks emerge in gop debt limit offensive. >> hum. [♪ dramatic music ♪] >> stephanie: nancy pelosi and

harry reid have both implored the president to ignore the debt limit if the republicans oppose it. another as you mentioned yesterday jim is the coin. the trillion dollars coin. >> yeah. you don't want to leave that in your pants. >> stephanie: right. >> if you say take them to the dry cleaners. what coin? there is no coin. >> stephanie: coin. the administration should exploit a legal loophole to order the minting of a platinum coin or coins. somebody said yesterday about how many movies would this

produce if they made this coin. >> yes. >> stephanie: that would make the funding available, like they were worth trillions of dollars to meet obligations. however, there has been signals boner now envisions a fight playing out in a series won't that be fun? we can have a debt ceiling crisis every week now. >> that's leadership. >> stephanie: yes. unless obama agrees to trillions of sending cuts outright. if cracks are forming in the republicans offensive, democrats don't have to resort to unconventional means. we'll see what adam schiff thinks about this. because he knows a little something about something. >> he does.

>> stephanie: bob in boston you are on the "stephanie miller show." hi, bob. >> caller: how are you doing? >> stephanie: good, go ahead. >> caller: any time people want to put guns in schools, why don't you just respond by saying fort hood. >> stephanie: yeah. >> caller: how come so many people died at fort hood at the hands of one shooter. >> stephanie: columbine also there was an armed guard. yeah, that's just a ridiculous idea. >> uh-huh. >> stephanie: that's just dumb. okay. twenty-nine minutes after the hour. charlie pierce next on the "stephanie miller show." ♪ i think the number one thing that viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. they know that i'm not bs'ing them with some hidden agenda, actually supporting one party or the other. when the democrats are wrong, they know that i'm going to be the first

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>> i have something the other actors don't. a secret weapon. my sexuality. >> oh god -- >> announcer: stephanie miller. . >> -- when does that ever work? >> when does it not work? >> stephanie: it is the "stephanie miller show." thirty-four minutes after the hour. yay, it's tuesday! charlie pierce political columnist for esquire.com. ♪ why is everybody always laughing with me ♪ >> stephanie: good morning charlie pierce. >> happy new year! >> stephanie: happy new year. your stuff was great this week. >> i wanted to turn in to current tv to see what you all

look like in berkas. [ buzzer ] >> stephanie: oh, i can't get enough of those jokes. >> i'm willing to bet you can. shall we try. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: charlie pierce? >> yes hello? you were talking about [ inaudible ] piece this week how biden must translate obama for the normal people and you say -- >> for post menopausal irish people of both sexes yes. >> stephanie: you say just call them uppity and then get back to work. >> that has been a tick of hers for many many years. no more sprawling across their cases in rolling stone. >> stephanie: and then i can't say his name -- >> [ inaudible ]. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: you also read the same piece i did in the times, i

can't say his name ross dodat. >> i think it's ducat. it opens almost to almost on unpleasant series of puns. >> stephanie: yeah. you said ultimately he gets around to giving credit to boner. i guess how anybody can say that that's doing a good job i'm not sure. >> the man desperate. because republicans are insane. >> stephanie: and you say watch out for this heidi heitkamp

person -- >> yeah, she is a joe lieberman who goes ice fishing. i thought of a better one between then and now. >> stephanie: you picked out the same thing i was thinking -- that's what you do in america you put everything on the table. you don't rule anything out. and you say actually i do rule some things out, privatizing social security and others. >> yeah, anyone who has covered city go knows when you hear a national politician talks about how they do it at city council hasn't been to a city council meeting for a while. you don't have to engage the people in dialogue. you just can't get them get near the silverware.

>> sporks. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: she said we just need to get to work. and as you say, aren't you special, as opposed bernie sander who is trying to keep things together with his teeth while you are planning ice cream socials. >> yeah, we have to keep an eye on this one. harry reid -- harry reid is going to have to take her in hand as they used to say. i didn't say it, of course. they used to say it. >> stephanie: no. what got the most attention was what she said about guns. >> yeah she came on later that said -- she said that some of those ideas, quote, shouldn't even be talked about. and i thought wait a minute didn't we just talk about how everything should be on the

table? >> stephanie: yeah. >> wait a minute lady what kind of a small town did you grow up in? >> stephanie: yeah, and she is a lifetime member of the nra with 100% ratings she is one of those responsible members of the nra who can't seem to keep her organization free of sociopaths. >> if you don't want the nra to speak to you, then don't talk to it or take it over. >> stephanie: yeah. >> jerry reid has been talking about this the nra doesn't represent gun owners anymore. it represents the people that make and want to sell guns. >> stephanie: yeah. >> if there was a gun owner's organization that wasn't wearing cam mow and living on a camp in

idaho -- [ laughter ] >> the nra has put a public face out there and it is wayne lapierre. i guess we could all join. all the liberals should join the nra and then vote out the governing board. >> stephanie: oh, i like that idea. >> plus they have cool stickers. plus i got to admit when you fire a gun at a range -- >> it's fun. >> it really is cool. >> it really is kind of cool. >> i hate it. >> i did okay with the pistol then they gave me like the semiauto, and i think i missed like by an area code. it was a very good thing it was a cement tube i was shooting in

because the thing went straight up in the air while i was shooting it. >> stephanie: this could be a girl thing but i told the story i shot a gun once and started crying, and i left. >> people react in different ways, but i think the point is that you react. >> yeah, you do. >> guns being just another thing and guns don't kill -- when you have a gun in your hand and you shoot it has some effect on your brain. >> stephanie: boys like things that go off in their hands. >> no you can react badly to it but the point is you do react. >> stephanie: yeah, i hear ya -- >> i don't want you carrying a gun either by the way. >> stephanie: thank you. trust me you do not. [ laughter ] >> although back when you are on the show with babe buchanan that might have been a good idea. >> stephanie: yes. you talk there's a particular

arizona republican who -- i heard republican ted cruz saying the same thing. >> well, that's something that newt gingrich was pushing a little bit on the campaign trail this year, that it was the government shutdown that forced bill clinton's hand to do blah blah, blah. it's just wrong. >> stephanie: yeah. >> and it happened at a time when the united states economy % was doing reasonably well. >> stephanie: that's what you point out. it shouldn't be too much to notice it's not 1999 shutting down the government in the middle of a perilously weak economy. this ain't no disco.

>> are we done? because we were in the heebie jeebies for a while. no there is a recklessness in the year and some of the republican leaders that would like there to be a republican party in ten years are looking around saying maybe this is something we shouldn't monkey with this time. but who knows. >> stephanie: right. >> i mean you would have to be a fool to presume you know who is driving the train there right now. >> stephanie: exactly. you pointed out the same thing we did as you call it disco dave's dance party on meet the press. he has reached the perfect balance of sucking up to people and book -- >> i don't know if it's a jack welch thing. >> stephanie: yeah. >> the fellowship of, you know

nasty not entirely competent former ceos. she has nothing to contribute to anything. she was a failure at a ceo, except getting herself rich, and then she completely failed as a politician. >> stephanie: yeah, you say you have to be a win, win, and you say yeah after she got fired from hewlett-packard, she cut herself a real win win, and 30,000 workers lost their jobs. >> but i'm sure she did it with respect. >> stephanie: exactly. my favorite this week has got to be paul ryan is not a serious person because he voted against of course sandy relief right? he voted to keep people sleeping in their mini vans, because that's for the good of the

country and for their own good and of course you said the zombie eyed had it and made sure his constituents knew where to find the sweet government checks. >> yeah, if there was only some kind of device where you can go back and check what they said before. >> stephanie: yes, and you said and people wondered why joe biden kept laughing at him. >> that may be my favorite part of the presidentsal campaign. because it's amazing to me that joe biden doesn't drink. because he has the perfect barroom personality. he looks like he spent his entire life arguing things in barrooms, and it's enormously likable. >> stephanie: it really is. >> so what is the story in

washington. your show? >> stephanie: january 19th inauguration weekend. >> oh i will be there and so will my wife. >> stephanie: excellent. love you charlie pierce. >> see you later. [ applause ] >> stephanie: we'll be right back on the "stephanie miller show." >> announcer: it's the "stephanie miller show." (vo) she's joy behar. >>and the best part is that current will let me say anything. what the hell were they thinking?

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♪ i don't know what you have done to me but i know this much is true ♪ >> announcer: stephanie miller. ♪ i want to do bad things with you ♪ >> stephanie: it ises the "stephanie miller show." welcome it to. this hour brought to you by go to meeting. go to meeting with hd faces. you can even present from your ipad now. try it free for 30 days. go to gotomeeting.com. and type in the promo code stephanie. bryan fischer on the gun debate. >> they pick the ward assault weapon to make it sound bad and mean. it's exactly what it protects. that's exactly what it was designed to protect. it was designed to protect the right of the american people to keep and bare arms the same

kind of arms that were used to defeat the british. they just used their hunting rifles and used them to defend their independence. so the second amendment is exactly designed to protect assault rifles. that's nothing more than a fancy pants hunting rifle. [ buzzer ] >> stephanie: it is not the type of gun they used in the revolution. >> you had to load the ball down the barrel of the rifle, and you got one shot -- >> there is no comparison between a musket or a flint block -- >> stephanie: we're just trying to make guns sound mean, y'all. >> the whole point is to kill a lot of people very quickly. >> stephanie: yeah. wow. steve doocy. >> i think you like a lot of people, joshua are worried that

the federal government is going to come after our guns. >> it's something we have seen time and time again in history. [ sighs ] >> oh, god. >> stephanie: see obama is just like hitler. >> yeah. >> stephanie: and pol pot. >> stephanie: okay. then. a little history lesson so far. gretchen carlson and donald trump. >> i wonder if john boehner and others have reached out to people like yourself and others? >> it's not really about expert negotiators. this is almost common sense. this is like basic 101 common sense. >> stephanie: ah. >> what? >> expert negotiators like trump. >> stephanie: who went bankrupt with a casino.

>> yeah that's hard to do. >> stephanie: and guest host larry o'connell. >> he was guest hosting for david miller. >> stephanie: basically john boehner became nancy pelosi without the charm. >> for the last two years. and let's give him credit you know -- there's no facelift with john boehner. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: i see that's the bar for the fill-in humor. [ mocking laughter ] >> wow. [ sighs ] >> stephanie: newt gingrich on meet the press. >> i helped close the government twice. it actually worked. bill clinton said big government is over after two closures. i would argue we would never have gotten to an balanced budget or welfare reform without the [ inaudible ], so if the congressional republicans want to say you are going to have a

really hard time with resolution, that's perfectly legitimate. >> so he is taking credit for the economic recovery in the '90s. >> stephanie: right. >> and he said he would not take responsibility for the bill clinton tax increases. >> stephanie: charlie pierce pointed this out, this is another headline. [♪ "world news tonight" theme ♪] >> stephanie: repeat of 1999 government shut down. ted cruz during an appearance he waxed poetic about the last time the government was successfully shut down. because republicans stood strong in 1995 we saw year after year of balanced budgets. we went on to call for a

repeat -- hostage in the debt ceiling next month he says if we hold strong we can do it again. >> it was bill clinton's tax increases on the rich that helped the economy. >> stephanie: if we did that again over 800,000 medical workers would likely be furloughed, police and public safety officials could be cut, and veteran services would be impacted. last time remember when they did it in 2011 it cost us $19 billion for the fiscal conservatives to put on their little show. >> i think everett dickerson would be okay with that. >> stephanie: he said i don't think what washington needs is more compromise. >> yeah, more gridlock. >> stephanie: yeah. >> stan your ground! >> stephanie: okay. and for dessert, rush limbaugh. >> african-americans today can

be convinced that they are still slaves. jamie foxx does it every day. samuel l jackson, reverend jackson tries to make the case that there is still slavery in this country. well, the same thing happened with the rich. the rich came along and screwed them. >> stephanie: okay. if you say so. [ applause ] >> stephanie: mike in l.a. you are on the "stephanie miller show." hi, mike. >> caller: good many all. if the constitution says the debt of the united states shall not be questioned and we have a bunch of tea party crazies trying to take us hostage and turn us all in to dead beats, are they not violating their constitutional oath and are they not subject to impeachment?

>> stephanie: well, my first thought would be yes. [ bell chimes ] [ applause ] >> stephanie: my second thought was can we do that? >> computer says naaa. >> stephanie: probably not, sadly. james in alabama good morning. >> caller: yes, hey, stephanie we went to different high schools togethers. i'm a vietnam veteran, 100% disabled with ptsd. and i have struggled with this because we were always told not to take a second shot, these 100 round clips are insane. >> stephanie: yep, i hear ya. representative adam schiff next on the "stephanie miller show." ♪ [♪ theme music ♪]

>> stephanie: hour number three. representative adam schiff coming up and then former ambassador james hormel to talk about the chuck hagel nomination. jacki schechner what is your take on the chuck hagel nomination? >> i haven't done enough research into the exact statements he made, but in general, i have always liked chuck hagel. i think he is a good moderate republican, and it's not a bad idea to get a little bit of bipartisanship in there in that capacity. >> stephanie: yes, a reasonable republican. it's like finding a unicorn. >> exactly.

it's kind of like how i felt about john mccain back in 2000. >> stephanie: that's right. here she is jacki schechner. >> good morning, everybody. president obama has chosen a evangelical paster to speak after his nomination this month. she is an author on several books on civil rights. and then a reverend who heads up the passion church in atlanta, will give the benediction at the inauguration. the statements from the president this morning praising those twos for reflecting the ideals he says he and vice president biden continue to pursue on behalf of all americans. he'll take the oath of office on sunday the 20th and then have a

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[♪ theme music ♪] >> announcer: ladies and gentlemen, it's the "stephanie miller show"! ♪ i'm walking on sunshine, woe ho ♪ ♪ i'm walking on sunshine woe ho ♪ ♪ it's time to feel good ♪ ♪ hey all right now ♪ ♪ it's time to feel good ♪ >> stephanie: aha. it is the "stephanie miller show." welcomed it to. former ambassador james hormel coming up at the bottom of the hour. 1-800-steph-1-2 the phone number toll free from anywhere. i'm guessing he is really going to like his new name jim. as the fiscal schiff. representative adam schiff joining us now. good morning, representative. >> good morning, how are you? >> stephanie: good morning fiscal schiff. the fancy committee, i just

remembered, you are on the house app probations committee, so you know a little something about something here. let's talk about the debt ceiling fight. >> he president will not play that game over the debt limit, this is holding the american country hostage. it costs billions of dollars last time that we don't have. so if they want to fight over shutting down the government that's up to them. but the debt limit just can't be something that we periodically bring the country to the brink over. >> stephanie: we were talking

about some of the republicans literally waxing nostalgic. and not only was it a disaster for them politically, we were saying this isn't 1995 anymore. we are in a weak recovery, are we not? >> that ex-exactly right. and it's astounding to hear them talk about the fondness. it is do not what they should be talking about now. they should be talking about finding a way to work together to solve our economic challenges. but they seemed to have learned the wrong lesson from the fiscal cliff that they need to try to make up for double in the next one. but that will be disastrous if they do. >> stephanie: we have heard nancy pelosi and harry reid talking about the 14th amendment, and the trillion dollars coin. are either of those going to be

necessary? >> i don't think the president is going to use either. i certainly hope it is not necessary in the sense of us going over the debt limit and having that kind of economic catastrophe, but the president has at least ruled the 14th amendment out. and i think the trillion dollars coin seems a little too gimmicky. and i have to think as we come up to the brink again, the only other constituency the gop listens to is the titans of industry, they will weigh in with the speaker and say look, you do this and you will lose all of our support, because this will be crushing economically. so fight over what you want but not over the debt limit. >> stephanie: what is your take on the fiscal cliff we just did. were you happy? >> i don't think anyone can say they were really happy about it. i am pleased that we got new

revenue, although i think in some provisions it was far more generous than i felt comfortable with, particularly on theest stay tax and we're going to have to entertain new tax cuts again. but it is going to be that much more difficult after the first fiscal cliff deal. but we extended unemployment compensation, we did raise revenues. we didn't make cuts to entitlements, so we accomplished at least part of the objectives that we had, but we kicked the can down the road in terms of some of the broader challenges. >> stephanie: john boehner said he has significant republican support for letting the defense cuts take effect. he said i got that in my back pocket. it's as leverage as we are going to get to cut entitlement

spending. is he bluffing? >> probably a little bit but not much. if they are willing to put the nation's credit in default, then they probably think, yeah certainly we're willing to have those defense cuts. so i think they are willing to do it, how long they would be willing to stick with it is another question. but i don't put anything past them at this point. >> stephanie: yeah. this will be fun, won't it again? >> well, it's awful, and as you say we're in the midst of a slow, but steady recovery and this is not what we need. but the issues in this round are really much more difficult than the fiscal cliff issues were. >> stephanie: representative let's turn to another subject, the president obviously is starting to talk about serious gun legislation for the first time. what do you think? how is that going to play out?

>> well, i think it's absolutely the right thing to do. we just can't go through appalling tragedy after appalling tragedy and sit on our hands. i expect the task force to come up with some recommendations some dealing with the assault weapons ban and not just the hoop hole for gun shows, all of those issues i think will be part of the package, but more broodly, healthcare reforms and other gun safety and neighborhood safety legislation to try to protect americans from this wealth of gun violence. one of the pieces i'll be working on in particular is the immunity that the gun industry enjoys that no other industry has. they can act in an negligent

way, and are held immune from any kind of liability in court. and that makes no sense either. >> stephanie: yeah. >> so a lot to change and i think we will. it is going to be tough but i think we'll get it done. >> stephanie: let's turn to the chuck hagel nomination for secretary of defense. what is your position on that? >> i'll be very interested to hear what he has to say. some of the things he has said concern me a great deal. the comments he made about ambassador hormel are concerning, and why he didn't support legislation dealing with the issues of iran, and some other issues. i think we ought to give him his day to answer some of those very tough questions, and we'll see how he handles it. that's really, i think going to

be key for many senators who are at the moment reserving judgment. >> stephanie: i don't know if you heard me say we're going to talk to ambassador hormel at the bottom of the hour, but his comments were 14 years ago, and i think a lot of people have progressed since then. does that -- does it concern you regarding don't ask don't tell or anything else? >> it was concern me. but they are not objections that can't be overcome. but i think the hearing will be revealing. has he changed his mind or when probed deeply does he have some beliefs that are hard to conceal. so, you know, i -- i'm hoping

for the best certainly i hope for really a more thorough apology than he has done thus far, but always his views really have changed. >> stephanie: and i think i would be more concerned in terms of don't ask don't tell, except thus far it seems like it has gone off without a hitch. >> it really has. it's quite wonderful and, you know, should be not that surprising either but given the opposition there was for many years, it is wonderful how swiftly it has been implemented and how little problem resistance there has been. >> stephanie: they may even give gays radio shows some days. you never know. >> now wait a minute. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: representative adam schiff of the great state of california. thank you so much, sir. always a pleasure. >> you bet great to talk to

you. [ applause ] >> stephanie: there you go. >> i just moved and i believe i am in representative schiff's district now. >> stephanie: well, welcome. >> thank you. now about that pothole. sneaks aboutly. kelly in illinois. >> caller: hi. i heard that john boehner said he needed his job like a hole in the head. and i think that's awful. we give him the honor of his job. he is supposed to be working for us, and it just sounded -- talk about cocky and entitlement. republicans act like they are entitled to everything. they are whining and spoiled. they have never been without power before. and they are spoiled. if america takes over and says this is the way we want it. boehner needs to get out of there and get a job.

>> go back to a tavern and get a job! [ mumbling ] [ sobbing ] >> stephanie: i guess not so much anymore. seventeen minutes after the hour, we have james hormel and much more as we continue on the "stephanie miller show." >> announcer: making right-wing wackos everywhere hurl. it's the "stephanie miller show." ♪

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former ambassador james hormel coming up at the bottom of the hour. chuck in illinois you are on the "stephanie miller show." on the new right-wing mean that obama equals hitler. >> caller: yes i just wanted to say it's not quite accurate when they say that. when they started deeming people as non-citizens then those people are enemies of the state, and then those people were not allowed guns but people who were citizens or party members it became quite easy to purchase weapons. no one has ever said that a portion of our population can't become a licensed gun owner, have a hunting rifle. >> stephanie: right. and the other thing -- nobody

is -- you know, suggestions have ever included going to get anybody's guns. it's changing the existing laws right? >> caller: yeah. and these people are nuts. they have watched the omega man one too many times, and they believe they will be charlton heston driving around in a mustang, and fending off night zombies and stuff. so it really -- or walking dead. we're just a couple of years away from that breaking out. >> stephanie: yeah and i love the guy in the right-wing world saying they are the same guns that we used in the american revolution. let's bring back musket's and then i'm all for it. >> caller: right. it goes beyond me.

there is no one proposing -- and that's the point. you know, canada, they are hunters up there. i know people who are canadians, who -- we have guns. you need a license, semi automatic weapons aren't allowed. >> stephanie: yeah, and they were all standing there in a row with bright red jackets on. if they had assault weapons, it would have been over even sooner, right? >> caller: just remember these people are crazed and extremist to such a high degree. there are hunters in britain and all around the world, to get a license it's more difficult, that's all. >> stephanie: absolutely. i have always wondered that jim about any revolution. >> you know, perhaps we should not wear these bright red jackets? >> stephanie: has anyone thought

that we should try hiding. >> maybe that's why their empire folded. >> stephanie: maybe just a mauve. maybe something not quite to bright. >> what is that character? dr. fennous? >> stephanie: deb in california. hi, deb. >> caller: hey there lovers-o-mine. >> stephanie: hello. >> caller: i love the way you are describing how john mccain and lindsay graham are like these media whores -- sorry, but that's what they are -- and they go on every weekend and talk about chuck hagel and it's very troubling to them. chuck hagel endorsed mr. obama in '08, and it is always so transparent, and i just don't think they can quit each other.

and i'm sorry to be such a jerk about it. but they are just such jerks. and we have got to get -- why are these people still being interviewed on these sunday shows? >> stephanie: you are absolutely right. they are always very troubling. [ suspense music ] >> stephanie: he was not troubling during the bush administration, but now he is very troubling. >> he's trouble. [♪ mysterious music ♪] >> stephanie: clearly he is. >> trouble in river city. >> stephanie: right? >> yes. >> stephanie: totally. [♪ "world news tonight" theme ♪] >> stephanie: we played a little donald trump in right-wing world. a warning has been issued to donald trump. he said we live in a country where you can say anything you want as long as you don't harm anyone. but i think his personal life

will corrupt what he does on the show. if he becomes somewhat hurtful, we'll figure out what to do with that? oh, now? >> now a warning? >> stephanie: he hasn't done anything yet. wow. doesn't he call rosy o'donnell a pig like every other week. >> if you don't leave me alone, i'm going to start getting hugely offensive. [♪ "world news tonight" theme ♪] >> stephanie: the film behind the candle opera. >> who is playing liberace? >> stephanie: you were saying what liberace was gay? >> i wish my brother george were here. >> stephanie: the director told the post that his recent movie was too gay for hollywood.

is that possible? >> yeah. >> stephanie: he said nobody would make it, so now it's going to hbo. he said he was stunned that nobody would take the project. he said this was after broke-back mountain which isn't as funny as this movie. in case you missed the al roker story he, um pooped his pants at the white house. [ applause ] >> he threw his underwear away in the white house bathroom. >> stephanie: yeah. and it was the day of the easter egg roll. fill in your own joke about chocolate eggs here. [ buzzer ] >> it wasn't foil rapped. >> what? >> stephanie: he really has a problem. >> yeah. >> stephanie: he really has a problem if they come out foil rapped. foil?

when did i eat foil? >> i remember once when i was a kid our dog and it some fluorescent crayons we had. and they had florescent chunks -- [ buzzer ] >> stephanie: oh! ambassador james hormel was the ambassador that chuck hagel made his comments about. we'll talk to him about how he feels about the chuck hagel contamination when we return on the "stephanie miller show." ♪ right have, about the "heavy hand of government" ... i want to have that conversation. let's talk about it. really? you're going to lay people off because now the government is going to help you fund your healthcare. really? i want to have those

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>> as of this moment -- >> announcer: stephanie miller. . >> -- is on double secret probation! >> stephanie: oh, no. it is the "stephanie miller show." welcome to it. thirty-four minutes after the hour. chuck hagel obviously has been nominated for defense secretary. and one thing everybody is talking about is his comments about former ambassador james hormel. good morning ambassador. >> good morning, stephanie. >> stephanie: thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> stephanie: he referred to you as openly aggressively gay. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: which i never -- >> it sounds as if i have fangs. >> stephanie: exactly. and he called that an inhibiting

factor. and he has apologized to "politico." your first reaction was you weren't certain he was sincere. >> well, it took me by surprise but then i read the statement carefully, and it occurred to me that this is really quite exceptional, because in the first place apologies don't come easily out of washington and they are usually qualified by i'm sorry if i hurt somebody or something like that. >> stephanie: yes. >> and that didn't appear in this one, and so i thought to myself. when was the last time a person in a position to become, you know, one of the principals in the cabinet issued an apology for anything? and i couldn't recall a time. so to me it was a statement

about the constituency, the lbgt constituency and how much respect it has gained over the past 14 years, and that was very important, and -- and having said what he did now i think that will be obliged to follow through and be very careful about how the don't ask don't tell policies are de-assembled. >> stephanie: you said if it were made today it would be clearly disqualifying. and it does show how far we have come since then. >> yeah. >> stephanie: not only did we enact this ridiculous policy but the fact that it even seemed

reasonable back then today makes us shake our heads. >> really. really. it wasn't reasonable then and it still isn't today. >> stephanie: yeah. >> but back then the atmosphere was the president who was very new at the time thought he had the power to do it and didn't realize that the people would rise up and oppose him on it. when you look back to 1948 when harry truman integrated the military service it seemed to have happened seamleslie of course it didn't but it seemed to. and we could have been in a mode of thing that lead us to believe it happened seam lessly.

>> stephanie: right. i think it will be interesting to hear him question on all of this to see if his evolution obviously seems sincere. >> well, of course it is up to the committee to elicit answers to these questions, and he needs to address them but at this point, there's nothing that i see that should obstruct his -- his path. it's up to him. >> stephanie: you had said originally, i thought this so-called apology which was made public was a defensive move on his part. it would be nice wouldn't it for him to apologize to you directly? >> well that would be nice. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: yeah i mean and yet again you say boy he does seem to be right on a lot of issues including afghanistan

and all of that and you do say at what point you go this was 14 years ago and he has apologized right? >> yes all of those issues he will have to address in committee hearings and i think to prejudge him is unfair. >> stephanie: ambassador what was that like for you back then? because it just was such a different time. and i guess his point was oh this is a sensitive position and there are perceptions around the world about homosexuality or whatever, but it must have personally been very hurtful to you. >> i'm not sure that was his point. because i think based on a conversation i had with him in the presence of senator bob kerry, he indicated that he would speak to members of the senate possibly those who had put a hold on my nomination and

the senator who was the majority leader at the time to see whether something could be done to bring my nomination to the floor for a full vote and that conversation took place only about a month before this article appeared in the word herald, so i have -- i have the notion that he probably did that and was told point blank don't -- don't mess around with this. >> stephanie: right. right. >> you know, trent lyle was not about to let it come to a vote. he made that very clear. he said to a friend of mine in washington who asked him why won't you meet with mr. hormel. he said why would i want to do that? i might like him. [ laughter ] >> stephanie: did you ever figure out what openly aggressively gay means? [ laughter ] >> no, but i do not have fangs. >> stephanie: have you become

more passively gay since then? [ laughter ] >> actually, since then i -- i think that we have managed to accomplish enormous strides. >> yeah. >> stephanie: yeah. >> and it's very encouraging, of course the most important thing for any group is -- is social acceptance, and cultural acceptance. and that comes very hard over very long periods. i look at the equal rights amendment which was written in 1920 and still hasn't been ratified. >> stephanie: right, and yet you look at these hearings coming up, and you think how amazing is it that tommy baldwin will be questioning chuck hagel. >> yes, indeed. >> stephanie: and maybe even barney frank the first married gay congressman, if he is interim for john kerry. >> yes.

>> stephanie: so between that and the supreme court stuff coming up, you must just think what a whole new day from when you went through all of this, right? >> it is amazing to me. i was out of the country when lawrence v texas was decided. and that was sort of brown versus wood for gay people. >> stephanie: yeah. >> it was an enormous decision. yes, i'm very excited when i started this -- this quest about 40 years ago now, things looked bleak indeed. noo >> stephanie: yeah. >> there was a state department that were still firing people for being gay. >> stephanie: yeah. and your book came out a little over a year ago.

i mean as i say, even you must be surprised at how much progress we have made so quickly. >> well, it truly is amazing. i was -- i was the first, and i was appointed not -- not chosen by the senate unfortunately. the first person who went through the process openly gay, did that only about three or four years after i did. >> wow. >> stephanie: yeah. yeah. unbelievable. what is your take on what is going to happen at the supreme court? [ laughter ] >> i'm going to sit here with my fingers crossed. >> stephanie: yeah i think when you think of how important it is, when you think it can come down to one guy it is a little terrifying. >> yes, and the people on the

court are certainly reflective of the politics of the time so they must be thinking to themselves about what -- what people feel and want at this time as opposed to 25 years ago even. >> stephanie: and it doesn't seem to me ambassador that it is even such a partisan issue anymore. >> yes, indeed. >> stephanie: it gives you great hope. >> yes, it does indeed. and also he and his current partner argue back and forth about how many members of the court they will be able to persuade because one of them has, you know, democratic connections very strong ones and the other one republican. and they say if they can do their job, it will be a 9-0

decision. >> stephanie: yes, ted olson makes me very happy clappy when i talk to him. you say basically that you accept chuck hagel's apology, and obviously if he answers the questions that he should be confirmed. >> well, i -- i said more specifically in a later statement that -- that i would be willing to accept his apology and -- and that his comments do not disqualify from consideration. so in my opinion it is up to the committee to elicit from him the statements that will satisfy them, and then we'll see. >> stephanie: yep. >> but from what one can read and -- and track down about his background and his -- in his positions, and his experience

there are many things about him that make him very attractive. the fact that he served in the military as an enlisted person rather than an officer, makes quite a statement just in itself. >> stephanie: yep. and you say in your statement 14 years have past, and public attitudes have shift, and perhaps, senator hagel has progressed as well. but i thought your statement was very classy. >> thank you very much. i had a brief conversation with ambassador getz who was my successor, and he i think has written a piece that essentially supports the hagel nomination and -- and i think we both feel that times have changed and

that this gentlemen has changed as well. >> stephanie: yes. ambassador it is such an honor to meet you finally. >> well, it is a pleasure for me as well, and i hope we meet again soon. >> stephanie: thank you. [ applause ] >> wow, that was aggressive. >> stephanie: that was over i will aggressive. we'll be right back on the "stephanie miller show." >> announcer: free speech? what a concept. it's the "stephanie miller show." ♪ young turks is that we're honest. they know that i'm not bs'ing them with some hidden agenda, actually supporting one party or the other. when the democrats are wrong, they know that i'm going to be the first one to call them out. they can question whether i'm right, but i think that the audience gets that this guy, to the best of his ability, is trying to look out for us.

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>> announcer: stephanie miller. ♪ you sexy thing ♪ >> stephanie: wa wa wa wa. it is the "stephanie miller show." fifty-one minutes after the hour. speaking of sexy things. ♪ oh oh, oh, jacki blue ♪ >> stephanie: good morning, jacki schechner. >> good morning. >> stephanie: it's time for a little jacki's health care corner. >> not a problem just make it quick. >> stephanie: all right. i wonder if you read the piece in the "huffington post" the hopes of entitlement reform. here we go again. he writes about your area of medicare and medicaid cost. >> yeah, we makes the same argument i have made over we have a health care cost problem overall. and medicare may be the solution because we have managed to keep

costs down and be more efficient. and our problem is not within the medicare system it's the fact that the system overall is overinflated because people make money off of our health care system. >> stephanie: right, and you say. it would result in less care, and here we go -- it's like you always say -- we do better to open medicare to everyone. >> yeah, they are more efficient and more innovative. we use the medicare system to work out new innovations within the health care complex. so there are other things it can do too. we can use the bargaining power of medicare and we can modernize our system with things like electronic medical records. and if we have a unified system like that it's easier to do those sorts of things when you

have multiple private health insurance companies and multiple private stakeholders, right? >> stephanie: right. >> hospitals, doctors whatever it happens to be. >> stephanie: right. it seems like some of our friends on the right, the merck merck [ censor bleep ] yeah people would care that we are paying 18% on health care as compared to 9% in other countries, yet we are no healthier. >> the good example he gives if somebody has a chronic back problem instead of taking them and giving them physical therapy, we run them through a billion tests. because people make money off of those. and we offer up pharmaceuticals -- we perpetuate the system of waste and

overspending because there's a real financial benefit to that as opposed to taking the patient's health care needs into account. >> stephanie: right. and that exactly caps it. when he says there is not much money in physical therapy, which is why they refer to orthopedic surgeons and all of that. >> yeah, i watch -- i'll give you a quick example. i was in the emergency room once and watched an older woman who had like a back injury repeat the same information over and over and over again to multiple doctors. and it was because there was no patient coordination and they didn't talk to each other, and there was no record they could refer to, and this woman was in so much pain, and i kept thinking we could get her treated and move on -- there

were so many nuances within that one scenario which exemplified though problem. >> stephanie: all right. honey that was like health care speed dating. >> you know what steph. afterwards i would pick you. >> stephanie: ah. i love you. >> i love you back. [ applause ] >> stephanie: great piece by robert ryshe we'll put that up. the hopes of entitlement reform on our facebook page. because i said so. [♪ "world news tonight" theme ♪] >> stephanie: wow, this is a shock, diana ross causes a scene at a restaurant. >> when doesn't she cause a scene. >> stephanie: she caused a scene after she was told you had to wait to be beated. she arrived at the up scale eatery to have lunch with her

daughter when she was told that restaurant does not seat anybody until the entire party arrives. she was asked if she would like to wait. she said no, and marched over to a booth. she refused to move. >> does diana ross have the pull that she once had. >> no. >> stephanie: i would love to see the worker that was told go over there and get her out of the booth. that's like wild kingdom, i'm going to wait in safety.

>> as jim is fighting the wilder beast i'll be here drinking a mai tai. testimony go ahead. >> caller: stephanie greetings from texas where men are men and sheep are nervous. >> stephanie: that's right. >> caller: it seems to me the republicans are tea baggers are taking over this country one district at a time one state at a time, and is there a movement going on with the democratic party to do anything about this? because this country is getting taken over -- >> stephanie: we are being tea bagged we are. although the bags are smaller. that's it for us.